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Post by chriscrawford on Mar 30, 2016 7:47:20 GMT -8
Pursuant to my expansion of the gossip system, I must consider the three classes of gossip:
"Subject tells DirObject that 3Actor has attribute Y in magnitude Q with uncertainty U" "Subject tells DirObject that 3Actor thinks that DirObject has attribute Y in magnitude Q with uncertainty U." "Subject tells DirObject that 3Actor thinks that 4Actor has attribute Y in magnitude Q with uncertainty U."
These could be conflated into a single verb: ""Subject tells DirObject that Subject thinks that 4Actor has attribute Y in magnitude Q with uncertainty U." but I think that's a clumsy structure. But the second and third forms can be conflated, leaving us with two verbs:
"Subject AGossips DirObject that 3Actor has attribute Y in magnitude Q with uncertainty U" "Subject BGossips DirObject that 3Actor thinks that 4Actor has attribute Y in magnitude Q with uncertainty U."
Unfortunately, the two verbs must have confusing presentation structures:
Subject AGossips DirObject 3Actor 6Uncertainty 5Quantity 4Attribute
Subject BGossips DirObject 3Actor 6Uncertainty 5Quantity 4Attribute 4Actor
Is this acceptable?
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Post by LostTrainDude on Mar 31, 2016 2:37:56 GMT -8
I'm not sure I understand this thoroughly. It could easily be a problem I have, of course. I have no problem understanding the first three classes of gossip you described. I start having troubles when it comes to the first "conflated" one. ""Subject tells DirObject that Subject thinks that 4Actor has attribute Y in magnitude Q with uncertainty U." Is 4Actor a fourth person mentioned in a conversation (Subject, DirObject, 3Actor, 4Actor)? If so I don't really understand how the three classes you mentioned conflate into that single line, since it doesn't include a 3Actor. Maybe I'm taking this too literally?
Also, while I understand the presentation structures you described in the end, I don't really get the difference between AGossips and BGossips. Is AGossips related only to a 3Actor and not to a 4Actor?
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Post by chriscrawford on Mar 31, 2016 13:37:53 GMT -8
You're right, in the conflated version, 4Actor should be 3Actor.
The difference between AGossip and BGossip is that AGossip defaults to "you" as the object of the emotion, while BGossip specifies the object of the emotion, like so:
Subject AGossip DirObject 3Actor 4Attribute 5Quantity 6Uncertainty Tom says to Mary that he thinks Dan trusts her very much.
Subject BGossip DirObject 3Actor 4Actor 5Attribute 6Quantity 7Uncertainty Tom says to Mary that he thinks Dan trusts Joan very much.
After much mulling, walking up and down the driveway bouncing a ball, I have decided to eschew BGossip and confine myself to AGossip.
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Post by chriscrawford on Apr 1, 2016 9:06:50 GMT -8
I realize, however, that there are STILL two kinds of Gossip, which I shall now call Gossip1 and Gossip2. They both have the same sentence structure:
Subject "Gossips" DirObject 3Actor 4Attribute 5Quantity 6Uncertainty
But they mean two different things:
1. Tom Gossip1s Mary that Dan is honest negative slightly uncertain 2. Mary Gossip2s Tom that Dan thinks him fearsome positive very certain.
In effect, Gossip1 is "first person" -- this is what *I* think where Gossip2 is "third person" -- this is what *he* thinks towards you.
We'll need to differentiate these carefully. But first, I need to be sure that this is what I want to do.
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Post by Chris Conley on Apr 2, 2016 8:04:08 GMT -8
I realize, however, that there are STILL two kinds of Gossip, which I shall now call Gossip1 and Gossip2. They both have the same sentence structure: Subject "Gossips" DirObject 3Actor 4Attribute 5Quantity 6Uncertainty But they mean two different things: 1. Tom Gossip1s Mary that Dan is honest negative slightly uncertain 2. Mary Gossip2s Tom that Dan thinks him fearsome positive very certain. In effect, Gossip1 is "first person" -- this is what *I* think where Gossip2 is "third person" -- this is what *he* thinks towards you. We'll need to differentiate these carefully. But first, I need to be sure that this is what I want to do. Hmm... I'm telling you what I think. I'm not sure I like the two names being two "persons" apart, considering the latter has only one more actor involved. More accurate might be "third order" and "fourth order" gossiping, because they involve three and four people, respectively: the conversants plus one or two others. I feel like Gossip2 is an important feature; it provides more information to the player and I don't think the inclination scripting would be much more complex than that for Gossip1 already will be.
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Post by chriscrawford on Apr 4, 2016 8:31:51 GMT -8
I think that the easiest way to differentiate the verbs is with the verb labels that I have settled on:
Tom gossips to Mary that he thinks that Joe has Honesty of -2, with Uncertainty +1.
Tom discloses to Mary that Joe told him that he (Joe) thinks that Mary has Good of +1 with Uncertainty -2;
The trick in differentiating them algorithmically is that the gossip verb relies on stored values: perceived values. But the disclose verb uses the HistoryBook. Tom is merely repeating what Joe told him -- unless, of course, Tom is lying about Joe.
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